by Ganesh Sahathevan
Taxpayers are still funding The College Of Law Australia's discredited PLT, despite the Chief Justice Of NSW Andrew Bell publicly condemning the course. Bell is also Chairman of the NSW Legal Profession Admission Board who together with TEQSA oversee standards at the College and accredit its courses including the PLT.
Despite Bell's public condemnation , Bell's NSW LPAB and TEQSA are refusing to withdraw their recognition of the College's PLT. The College can as a result keep drawing on tax payer funded FEE HELP to finance its PLT programme. FEE HELP is not limited to costs, so the College can continue to build the surpluses that scandalised Chief Justice Bell.
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Saturday, April 12, 2025
Recovery of tax payer funded FEE HELP from the College Of Law Australia can begin with the Commonwealth clawing back all funding provided the College Of Law for its now worthless PLT,and then cancelling PLT course debt
by Ganesh Sahathevan
The College Of Law Australia's reliance on tax payer funded FEE HELP to finance its PLT course has been shown to be a wasteful use of limited Commonwealth resources and now that Andrew Bell, the Chief Justice NSW has condemn the College Of Law PLT (see story below) it would be unfair that those who have undertaken the PLT bear any FEE HELP debt associated with that PLT.
Given the Chief Justice's comments the Commonwealth ought to claw back all FEE HELP funding provided the College for its PLT and having done so, cancel the FEE HELP debt of students who have incurred that debt as a result of having to fund the PLT. The Chief Justice himself has declared the College Of Law PLT overpriced so students did not really have a choice but to suffer the debt.
Saturday, February 15, 2025
The Chief Justice NSW Andrew Bell's public condemnation of the College Of Law PLT provides an avenue for PLT students to seek a refund -PLT course and certificate are worthless without the Chief Justice's imprimatur
by Ganesh Sahathevan
Andrew Bell has been described as ‘one of the most brilliant in a generation’The College of Law Australia's Practical Legal Training (PLT) course has been condemned by the Chief Justice NSW Andrew Bell, for offering a PLT course that is not worth the money. Bell has now embarked on a campaign to reform the PLT.
Bell is not only Chief Justice but also chairman of he MSW Legal Profession Admission Board that accredits the College as a PLT provider so it is not surprising that Bell's outburst has caused others to offer their own frank assessment of the College's PLT.
Senior practitioners and recent graduates from the 15-week practical legal training course, which requires only five days of in-person attendance and is taught mostly online, criticised its lack of rigour and utility.
They acknowledged a normalisation of cheating by sharing past answers to recycled exam questions and deploying ChatGPT to generate responses.
One junior lawyer, who completed the course last year and now works in the public sector, said prior fees of up to $12,000 were “transparently extortionate, and everyone knows that’s going in. It’s a necessary prerequisite for admission, and students know they won’t gain anything from it”.
“I didn’t feel like I was getting value for money once. Coming from university where academic rigour was held in high regard, to be paying for mundane and reductive online tasks felt like a slap in the face. In order to justify that price, the standard should be a lot higher,” said the lawyer, who asked for anonymity to speak more freely.
Another junior lawyer, who paid for the course themselves and now works at a community legal centre, said staff did little to combat students’ dim view of the course.
“There’s kind of this unspoken vibe between teachers and students that it’s all pretty bullshit,” they said.
“Written assessments follow the same formula for every subject … but no one puts any effort into them. People either copy someone else’s [answers] or use ChatGPT.
“You can upload the course documents to ChatGPT and ask it to write a letter of advice. I did that and passed everything.”
In light of the above PLT graduates have now a certificate that cannot be said to add anything to their professional standing and if anything embarrasses them. It follows that PLT graduates and students are entitled to recovery of their fees.The College should in fact be providing past and current students with proposals for refund of fees paid for services that were obviously not of the standard promised. Failure to do so, very soon, can be remedied by a class action.
Complaints about the College's PLT are not new, but the College and its senior managers have always enjoyed the protection of their Chief Justice, which has allowed them to act with impunity.
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Government funding for the College Of Law PLT where students are assessed on the quality of their reflection on their work experience , not the quality of their work experience
by Ganesh Sahathevan
The above has been extracted from the latest College Of Law Ltd's annual report. The substantial government funding is provided via the Commonwealth's FEE HELP facility.
Very many questions remain unanswered with regards the College Of Law's joint venture with Malaysia's Bar Council.
UK's The Lawyer reported recently that the College Of Law Sydney has decided to break into the UK market, to"battle BPP and ULaw for super-exam supremacy".
Quoting College CEO Neville Carter The Lawyer reported:
“The hallmark of the Australian model is delivery of learning directly into the workplace within a very flexible framework of work placement. The model drives access to the legal services market and fuels the growth of employment opportunities. We believe that the reforms in England and Wales provide an opportunity for us to share what we have learnt in Australia and across Asia and assist in shaping new models and pathways in England and Wales.”
Carter has yet to explain his exaggerated claims of having reformed Malaysian legal practise in the mid 80s; in fact the College's latest venture into Malaysia seems to have ended in failure, again leaving many unanswered questions.
The College has refused to explain why its website dedicated to its "LLM" in Malaysia no loner works, nor has it been replaced with anything similar.
As previously reported, the College seems to have a tendency to invest its mainly government funded revenue in vanity projects in exotic locations at the expense of its core business of providing the Professional Legal Training course that must be completed by anyone seeking admission to practise in NSW.
Complaints against the College are ignored by its regulator, the NSW Legal Profession Admission Board, which is chaired by the Chief Justice of NSW,who considers it the height of bad behaviour to question the relevance and quality of the College's teaching standards, despite students here having to normally take on a debt of about AUD 10,000 to pay for about 3 months worth of on-line learning, most of which is self taught with minimal input from instructors.
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Saturday, February 15, 2025
The Chief Justice NSW Andrew Bell's public condemnation of the College Of Law PLT provides an avenue for PLT students to seek a refund -PLT course and certificate are worthless without the Chief Justice's imprimatur
by Ganesh Sahathevan
Andrew Bell has been described as ‘one of the most brilliant in a generation’The College of Law Australia's Practical Legal Training (PLT) course has been condemned by the Chief Justice NSW Andrew Bell, for offering a PLT course that is not worth the money. Bell has now embarked on a campaign to reform the PLT.
Bell is not only Chief Justice but also chairman of he MSW Legal Profession Admission Board that accredits the College as a PLT provider so it is not surprising that Bell's outburst has caused others to offer their own frank assessment of the College's PLT.
Senior practitioners and recent graduates from the 15-week practical legal training course, which requires only five days of in-person attendance and is taught mostly online, criticised its lack of rigour and utility.
They acknowledged a normalisation of cheating by sharing past answers to recycled exam questions and deploying ChatGPT to generate responses.
One junior lawyer, who completed the course last year and now works in the public sector, said prior fees of up to $12,000 were “transparently extortionate, and everyone knows that’s going in. It’s a necessary prerequisite for admission, and students know they won’t gain anything from it”.
“I didn’t feel like I was getting value for money once. Coming from university where academic rigour was held in high regard, to be paying for mundane and reductive online tasks felt like a slap in the face. In order to justify that price, the standard should be a lot higher,” said the lawyer, who asked for anonymity to speak more freely.
Another junior lawyer, who paid for the course themselves and now works at a community legal centre, said staff did little to combat students’ dim view of the course.
“There’s kind of this unspoken vibe between teachers and students that it’s all pretty bullshit,” they said.
“Written assessments follow the same formula for every subject … but no one puts any effort into them. People either copy someone else’s [answers] or use ChatGPT.
“You can upload the course documents to ChatGPT and ask it to write a letter of advice. I did that and passed everything.”
In light of the above PLT graduates have now a certificate that cannot be said to add anything to their professional standing and if anything embarrasses them. It follows that PLT graduates and students are entitled to recovery of their fees.The College should in fact be providing past and current students with proposals for refund of fees paid for services that were obviously not of the standard promised. Failure to do so, very soon, can be remedied by a class action.
Complaints about the College's PLT are not new, but the College and its senior managers have always enjoyed the protection of their Chief Justice, which has allowed them to act with impunity.
TO BE READ WITH
Government funding for the College Of Law PLT where students are assessed on the quality of their reflection on their work experience , not the quality of their work experience
by Ganesh Sahathevan
The above has been extracted from the latest College Of Law Ltd's annual report. The substantial government funding is provided via the Commonwealth's FEE HELP facility.
Very many questions remain unanswered with regards the College Of Law's joint venture with Malaysia's Bar Council.
UK's The Lawyer reported recently that the College Of Law Sydney has decided to break into the UK market, to"battle BPP and ULaw for super-exam supremacy".
Quoting College CEO Neville Carter The Lawyer reported:
“The hallmark of the Australian model is delivery of learning directly into the workplace within a very flexible framework of work placement. The model drives access to the legal services market and fuels the growth of employment opportunities. We believe that the reforms in England and Wales provide an opportunity for us to share what we have learnt in Australia and across Asia and assist in shaping new models and pathways in England and Wales.”
Carter has yet to explain his exaggerated claims of having reformed Malaysian legal practise in the mid 80s; in fact the College's latest venture into Malaysia seems to have ended in failure, again leaving many unanswered questions.
The College has refused to explain why its website dedicated to its "LLM" in Malaysia no loner works, nor has it been replaced with anything similar.
As previously reported, the College seems to have a tendency to invest its mainly government funded revenue in vanity projects in exotic locations at the expense of its core business of providing the Professional Legal Training course that must be completed by anyone seeking admission to practise in NSW.
Complaints against the College are ignored by its regulator, the NSW Legal Profession Admission Board, which is chaired by the Chief Justice of NSW,who considers it the height of bad behaviour to question the relevance and quality of the College's teaching standards, despite students here having to normally take on a debt of about AUD 10,000 to pay for about 3 months worth of on-line learning, most of which is self taught with minimal input from instructors.
END
Monday, May 27, 2019
TOP Education Institute's Bachelor of Laws : Political donations,HK Stock Exchange IPO seem to have left regulators confounded, speechless
The then private company has since been listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange
The NSW LAPB's decision took even the Australian Law Students Association by surprise,as
New law school may leave grads stranded - Lawyers Weekly
The NSW LPAB is headed by a chairman,who is usually the Chief Justice Of NSW.
TOP Institute is understandably proud of its achievement, which is advertised on its website:
Top Education Institute received accreditations from TEQSA and the NSW Legal Profession
Top Education Institute received accreditations from TEQSA and the NSW Legal Profession
In 2018 Top went for an IPO in Hong Kong.It is listed on the HK Stock Exchange
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A Top Education? Dastyari’s Donations Troubles Expose The College With Impeccable Connections
By Wendy Bacon & Ben Eltham on September 2, 2016Education
A top education?
Sam Dastyari’s donations trouble exposes the private college with impeccable connections.
There is no doubt that Sam Dastyari is close to the Top Education Institute – otherwise he could scarcely have called on them to pay his parliamentary travel bill when he exceeded its cap. Close scrutiny has now also revealed that his disclosures on interstate travel have been sloppy, to say the least.
But Dastyari is not the only one to have links to Top Education. The private college is well-known in the corridors of power. Top Education’s director Minshen Zhu is one of the best-connected foreign donors in the country.
Dr Zhu’s big donations at ALP functions
A donations spree in a time of higher education deregulation
TOP Education’s Chair of Council and former Vice-Chancellor of La Trobe University, Emeritus Professor Brian Stoddart, said that TOP was delighted to align with PwC.“PwC recognises the value of investment in education export services and of the services already provided by TOP as a leading private innovator in the sector,” he said.
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